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Sufism is obligation for you and other Sufis but not for every other Muslim.
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Originally posted by Muslim75 Muslim75 wrote:

Music:

It is the channel of love. Without music there is no love. Music also reminds the soul of the original speech of Allah in the world of souls "Am I not your Lord ?"
 
Grave worship:
 
I have heard that there is grave worshipping that takes place. I don't know about it, but I know that these Sufi saints carry the blessings of Allah and His prophet (saws). So if you wish to be blessed - it does you good in your life - go visit them, whether they are alive or dead.
 
Shirk:
 
Some students worship their Sufi guides in a way. Well, many Sufi saints in the history of Islam said: "I am Allah" or "I am Muhammad". When Al Hallaj was killed, the river was about to swallow the city of Baghdad. But when the student put the cloth of Al Hallaj over it, it became calm. Part of the secret knowledge they possess contains a part about Allah. When they know that they become extremely close to Him. In Sufism, we say they become one with Allah. Like a drop of water falling in the ocean, it becomes the ocean. So they say: "I am Allah". Like Muhammad (saws):
 
''And was at a distance of but two bow-lengths or (even) nearer" (Surah 53, V9)
 
When they say "I am Allah", the devoted student worships Allah.
 
Bid'a:
 
The prophet Muhammad (saws) and his companions would stay days without eating, fast on hot days, feed the hungry, compete in obtaining the blessings of Muhammad (saws), pray at night and sleep little, praise Muhammad (saws) in poetry, sit in circles of Dhikr, hold all kinds of spiritual talks...Bid'a is Islam the way it is practised by the non-Sufis.


This is an example of the extremes of certain Sufi groups.  Sufism in general is not the problem.  It is those groups that hold the beliefs you just mentioned.

When someone says "I am Allah", they are committing the worst sin possible.  They become unbelievers.  We can try to sugar-coat it as much as we want, but it doesn't change anything.  It is shirk, and shirk is kufr. 

Did the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) or any of the Sahabah ever say "I am Allah"?  Of course not!  Such an abominable thought would never have crossed their minds.  So then, who are these "Sufi masters" who think that they can such things?  May Allah (Glorified and Exalted be He) protect us from such beliefs.
Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)

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Originally posted by Muslim75 Muslim75 wrote:

The Sufism which features the elements I mentioned in my previous posts is actually the Sufism of major figures of Sufism like Jalal Al Din Rumi or Abu Yazid Al Bistami, Sultan Al Arifin or Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi.
 
What follows is not from me. It is from Sufism. So, please don't quote me. This is commonly accepted in the Sufi doctrines. 
 
Allah Azza Wa Jall says in a Hadith Qudsi:
 
 

On the authority of Abu Hurayrah ra, who said that Rasulullah saw said : Allah swt said : "Whosoever shows enmity to someone devoted to Me, I shall be at war with him. My servants draws not near to Me with anything more loved by Me than the religious duties I have enjoined upon him, and My servant continues to draw near to Me with supererogatory works so that I shall love him. When I love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, his seeing with which he sees, his hand with which he strikes, and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask (something) of Me, I would surely give it to him, and were he to ask Me for refuge, I would surely grant him it. I do not hesitate about anything as much as I hesitate about (seizing) the soul of My faithful servant : he hates death and I hate hurting him " (Hadith Qudsi, Bukhari)

 
Allah Azza Wa Jall in the Qur'an says about Muhammad (saws):
 
"And lo! thou art of a tremendous nature" (Surah 68, V 4)
"And was at a distance of but two bow-lengths or (even) nearer;" (Surah 53, V 9)
Surah 9 starts without Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim. It ends, out of nowhere, with a praise of Muhammad (saws):
"Now hath come unto you an Messenger from amongst yourselves: it grieves him that ye should perish: ardently anxious is he over you: to the Believers is he most kind and merciful. But if they turn away, Say: (Allah) sufficeth me: there is no god but He: On Him is my trust,- He the Lord of the Throne (of Glory) Supreme!" (Surah 9, V 128-129)
 
Allah Azza Wa Jall in the Qur'an mentions the story of Musa and Fir'awn (Surah 26)
 
24.(Moses) said: "The Lord and Cherisher of the heavens and the earth, and all between,- if ye want to be quite sure."
25.(Pharaoh) said to those around: "Did ye not listen (to what he says)?"
26.(Moses) said: "Your Lord and the Lord of your fathers from the beginning!"
27.(Pharaoh) said: "Truly your apostle who has been sent to you is a veritable madman!"
28.(Moses) said: "Lord of the East and the West, and all between! if ye only had sense!"
(Meaning here, both Musa are Fir'awn are greatly knowledgeable about Allah Azza Wa Jall. Just how greatly knowledgeable, this is what we are concerned about.)
 
Allah Azza Wa Jall says in Surah Maryam:
"Relate in the Book (the story of)" (Surah 19, V 16/41/51/54/56)
 
The Companions:
Muhammad (saws) said in Hadith he poured in the chest of Abu Bakr whatever Allah Azza Wa Jall poured in his chest.
Ali (k) said if the veil was lifted, his faith would not increase.
 
The believers:
Muhammad (saws) said in Hadith: "Beware of the vision of the believer for he sees with the light of Allah." Apparently from Tirmidhi and Tabarani, I'll verify Inshallah Ta'ala.
 
Abu Jahl:
Staunch enemy of Muhammad (saws). He was shown his fate on the battle of Badr just before being put to death. He then lied injured on the ground, about to die. Ibn Mas'ud (ra) later came to him and asked him, as mentioned in Bukhari "Are you Abu Jahl ?" He replied: "Did you kill someone more honorable than me ?" As if he wants to acknowledge the truth he was denying.


I am not sure what your point is.  I asked whether the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) or the Sahaba ever said "I am Allah".  Who was nearer to Allah (Glorified and Exalted be He) than they?  Yet we find that neither the Prophet nor any of the Sahaba ever said anything like "I am Allah".  But lo and behold, along come some Sufi "masters" who have the audacity to say such things.  Were they saying that they were nearer to Allah than the Prophet and the Sahaba?

Anyone who "worships" these Sufi "masters", as you suggested, is committing kufr.  They are no different than the Christians worshiping Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him).

"They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help" (Surah Al-Maeda, 5:72)  
Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)

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