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JWNew
Starter Joined: 13 February 2006 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2 |
Topic: Feelings now since 9/11 - Share Posted: 13 February 2006 at 5:27am |
Hey guys, i'm not sure where to put this, so I guess i'll put it in the most relevant place i think is in this forum...
I am a student at school currently doing a project about the treatment of Islam since 9/11 on the media, and the effect it has had on individual lives of Muslims in Australia and America. I am trying to collect a variety of feelings/stories from individual muslims from Australia, and America. Please feel free to share your feelings about this issue. If you have any stories for example, it would really help out a lot... I am trying to understand from a western culture point of view, and i feel that posting on forums is a start. Please state if your an American-Muslim or Australian-Muslim in your posts, thanks a lot. Have you felt a greater sense of prejudice when you walk down the streets, was it different before 9/11? How Do you think the media is potraying Islam/Muslims? Things like that will help out a lot, thanks. |
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Shams Zaman
Senior Member Male Joined: 20 March 2005 Status: Offline Points: 135 |
Posted: 16 February 2006 at 11:12am |
Dear brother It is indeed encouraging that you want to know the Muslim perspective on the issue of 9 11. Most Muslim do not view the incident of 9 11 as an isolated incident rather an out come of hate and anger of over 40-50 years. HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE. Muslims had a glorious past which came to an end some 500 years ago due to our own follies. Muslims have a different perception of their religion. There are some areas where there has to be no compromise in any form and any shape. These are: (1) Allah or God, (2) The Prophets, (3) The Quran and (4) The Holy places namely In 1916 the Balfour Deceleration was passed and The west continued to rule the Muslim lands trough proxy, i.e. by appointing and supporting the tyrannical rulers and regimes which still exist in most places of Muslim countries. The miseries of Palestinians continued and West not only remained unconcerned to them but rather encouraged and supported This unjust behaviour of the west frustrated the Palestinian youth and some tried to gain the attention by hijacking planes, killing Israeli athletes at the Olympics etc which rather proved to be counter productive and media portrayed just one side of the story to depict Muslims as terrorists, extremist, brutal etc etc. The cat and mouse game went on for years. Richard Nixon�s book �Beyond Peace� would be very relevant here to mention in which he writes that, �The US should adopt a policy of isolation and containment towards both ( The Islamic fury against the west got a break as suddenly a new threat appeared in These Mujhaids or Jihadis were the heroes of Muslim world and the west. But just within two years some important things happened: Saddam (the crony of west) attacked Ethnic cleansing of Muslims started in Bosnia Herzegovina and Europeans along with US enjoyed the cold blooded massacre of Muslims for almost 5 years. It only stopped once Saudis, In Gulf war started and the government of Saddam Hussain was intentionally not deposed for having an excuse to control the world oil. The local shia population and uprising was as a result crushed by Saddam using brute force. But Saddam was not to be removed because his removal was not the part of the game plan and could have jeopardize the whole plan which was to be unveiled in the next 10 � 15 years. After the war was over the Mujhaideens or the Jihadis demanded the foreign powers to leave, because the things were happening exactly what the Prophet had told the Muslims some over 1400 years ago. The most vocal voice was of the Osama bin Laden who was at that time the closest friend of the CIA. Soon Osama became the unwanted man and the enemy of CIA/Saudi government so he had to leave the country. He organized his fellow men to wage the resistance against the occupying powers in the Gulf and used his old base, The tensions between the west and Islam grew bitter and bitter, and both spared no opportunity to harm each other or each other interests. This was when 9 11 happened. In this regard following book will be important: (1) (2) Ghost Wars by Steve Coll. How Muslims view 9 11. It is a generally believed by most Muslims and some Westerners that the 9 11 is the biggest orchestrated event of this century by CIA and MOSSAD to pursue their global policies around the globe. This was the same sort of operation planned by CIA in 1960�s in the To train and deploy some 10000 exiled Cubans mercenaries in Blowing up American ships in and around Cuban waters. Bombing the coast of But the plan failed in the initial stage as Castro killed or captured almost all the exiled Cuban mercenaries. So the next phase was immediately abandoned. The details can be found in the documents of Northwood first published in Therefore most Muslims don�t buy the story that a handful of hijackers ARMED with fruit cutting knifes and nail cutters dodged the complete security system at the airports, Hijacked 4 planes, overpowered the pilots and passengers and banged them into the buildings (some of them in the prohibited airspace) while NSA and FAA was taking a nap. This sort of operation is not even possible in There are some books published in (1) �The CIA and September 11� in which a former government minister of Research and Technology, Andreas Von Bulow, insinuates that the US and Israeli intelligence intelligence services blew up the World Trade Centre from the inside. The two Boeings, he claims, were flown in by remote control as a cover-up. (2) "9 11 - A Big Lie" by Thierry Meyssan (translated in English). (3) "Operation 9/11 - Angriff auf den Globus" by Gertiard Wisnewski (in German language). (4) "Verschworungen Verschworungsth und die Geheimnisse des II.9." by Mathias Brokers bei Zweitausendeins. (in German language). (4) "Pentagate" by Thierry Meyssan, translated as "The Pentagon Scandal" in I am indeed not justifying the killing of some 3000 innocents on Sep 11, it was certainly an act of brutality which must be condemned by all. I am only presenting the genesis of the problem and that the facts presented by the The events of 9 11 are to be viewed in the light of the theories projected by the Western scholars. Like after the demise of Communism Mr. Francis Fukuyama presented the theory of "End of History" that by struggle through ages finally man has come to the end of the tunnel and we have devised a system which will last through the rest of the ages in shape of "Western Democracy". This idea was refuted by Mr. Samuel P. Huntington, who claimed in �Clash of Civilizations and Re-making of the World Order� that we still have to face a confrontation amongst various civilizations especially Islam and Confucianism, which are inferior and incompatible to western civilization, will sooner or later join hands to confront the west. This theory was originally professed by the famous historian Arnold Toynbee, in his work �Study of History� but could not gain due attention due to the rise of communism. This theory is now slowly taking the shape of reality due to a very well co-ordinated and planned course of action. This action involves: (1) Occasional statements from the Western leaders against Islam or about the superiority of Western values. (Like George Bush used the word crusades, Mr. Belescuoni said West has superior values and Islam is a religion of suppression, etc). (2) Media in west (FOX, ABC, SKY, MSNBC, BBC, WSJ, TIME WARNER, and the newspapers) which portrays Islam as a religion of terror. (3) Media in the (4) Publications of books in the west hostile to Islam or giving wrong picture of Islam like of Irshad Manji �Trouble with Islam� , �Militant Islam Reaches America� by Danial Pipes, �Hatred�s Kingdom� by Dore Gold, �Why I am a Muslim� by Asma Gul Hasan etc. (5) Showing reports and publicising material which infuriate both Muslims and Westerners, like: Gruesome videos of western hostages in Iraq, pictures of Abu Ghraib prison, publishing cartoons of Prophet, airing video of British soldiers beating Iraqis, re-airing the picture from Abu Gharib prision etc etc. So let there be no break and we go on and on, on the collisionary course. So there is lack of understanding and wisdom at the both ends and both Muslims and West has failed to realize that there is a third party pushing them towards the confrontation. Muslim who realize all this are helpless as they are unable to control the extreme forces who see west, (as a whole) an enemy of Islam while on the other hand westerners are not ready to understand or accept the Muslim perspective and they view these ideas as conspiracy theory purported by the Muslims. More on 9 11 and the conspiracy against west and Islam can be found on the following web sites: www.islamicparty.com (Islamic party of www.allaahuakbar.net/free-masons/index.htm (Gives the preview of the design of Freemasons and secret societies aiming to establish a global rule). www.alfredlilienthal.com (An ex-official of US State department who himself is a Jew and strong critic of Zionism). www.ifamericansknew.org (Established by Americans aiming to protect the civil liberties and their values against the force which covertly rule Shams Zaman [email protected] |
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AhmadJoyia
Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1647 |
Posted: 16 February 2006 at 11:36am |
Hi JW News, I am student too, in USA and a Muslim as well. Regarding your question, I can only say that before the incident the difference of atmosphere between the two worlds was poles asunder, with USA considered to be on the higher grounds. Now, after the incident, this difference is shrinking, day by day. Can't quantify. This change may not be reflecting from individual's behaviour, but through doctrinal changes in their laws. But then, its nothing surprising as every nation has ups and downs; this country is no exception.
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fredifreeloader
Guest Group Joined: 17 February 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 456 |
Posted: 17 February 2006 at 12:17pm |
yeah right shams zaman, your "perspective" is anything but historical, more like a re-writing of history, in true muslim fashion. just to pick out a few points - you state that "spain and ottoman empires (did they have more than one?) became the western colonies" ---- what an utter lie this is. the truth is that the muslims invaded and conquered and colonised spain and the balkans and attempted to islamize them. a clear example of muslim imperialism. they got kicked out in the end, and the people they had brought into their dreadful bondage once again breathed free air. they even got as far as the gates of vienna, but were (praise God almighty) repulsed, and europe was not brought into the satanic bondage of islamic dhimmitude. you also have the audacity to mention east timor, without mentioning that it was invaded by the indonesian muslim predators in 1975, who proceeded to slaughter 200 000 out of a total population of 600 000, before retiring in shame and ignominy in 1999. incidentally the western collusion in this vile episode is well documented, even in a site such as wikipedia. also the oppression and killing in indonesia, motivated by satan, goes on, with the muslims continuing to oppress the people of God, for which evil our God, the only true God, will bring them into judgment. Edited by fredifreeloader |
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skygazer
Groupie Joined: 17 October 2005 Status: Offline Points: 65 |
Posted: 17 February 2006 at 7:10pm |
You're twisted, dude. I'll tell you what a non-Muslim American thinks: the US had it coming. We've been bullying the world with our overthrows of democratic governments from Iran to Chile and on and on. Fools like freddi get a kick out of lying their way through the world and making it look the the US is a great nation. It was founded on the genocide of the native americans and the enslavement of the africans. It's a scumpit full of ignorant jerks and its deserved far worse than 9/11. |
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pauline35
Senior Member Joined: 15 November 2005 Location: Malaysia Status: Offline Points: 459 |
Posted: 18 February 2006 at 12:49am |
Hello Skygazer,
Your eloquence will always put you in the limelight. Not only you are articulate but you surely did a lot of homework. A mature and realistic person indeed. I admire you qualities in terms of knowledge and high perspective. |
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pauline35
Senior Member Joined: 15 November 2005 Location: Malaysia Status: Offline Points: 459 |
Posted: 18 February 2006 at 12:51am |
Note to Shams Zaman,
Thanks for your input. We all should watch the movie "Syriana". It enlightened individual's perspective on the insight of America and the Middle East. |
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Colin
Senior Member Joined: 23 September 2001 Status: Offline Points: 1260 |
Posted: 18 February 2006 at 12:56am |
Pauline, I know you were not intending to be funny.....but you made me laugh... You can obviously recognize a rant but seem to have problems spotting a counter-rant. :---) |
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