Katherine: The Message of God

Jeera wrote: In the discontinued topic, you made the following remarks "What was that "same message" of God?  The Qur'an may not include the thoughts of men but the Hadeeths do and the Hadith is very important in Islam.  Two of the five prayers come from the Hadiths." The same message of God was "Thou shall worship only the One Lord God". This message was passed down to all prophets by God. Hadith is important in Islam but Quran stands before Hadith. hadith is secondary. You have been misinformed that two of the five daily prayers come from Hadith. It is not correct. Prayers do not come from Hadith. All the five prayers are commanded in Quran. Please correct yourself on these points.

Greetings Jeera,

I am well aware that the Qur'an stands before the Hadith.  If a Hadith contradicts the Qur'an it is to be discarded.

Could you please quote the ayas in the Qur'an noting the 5 prayers for me?  Thank you.

You said:  The same message of God was "Thou shall worship only the One Lord God". This message was passed down to all prophets by God.

Then the Qur'an brought nothing new.

Mishmish wrote: The Quran corrected the fallacies that man had brought into religion. By the time of the revelation of the Quran, men had made the Prophet Jesus into not only the son of God, but an incarnation of God and were praying to him and idols again.

The title "son of God" is another title for the Messiah and so is "the son of man."

The Qur'an does not seem to understand incarnation.  Look at the Old Testament's use of theophanies and you will understand the incarnation--God's Holy Word made flesh.  Christians do not worship God's creation.  Jesus was worshipped and he never corrected anyone who worshipped him.  Christians worship the God within or the God incarnated into Jesus.

Christians have never worshipped idols.

The Qur'an does not seem to understand the term "son of God" in any capacity.  The Qur'an says that Allah has no son.  Look at the Old Testament.  The God of the OT says that he has sons.

Also, what complaint does the Qur'an have against all Jews?  The Jews did not worship Jesus.  What message does the Qur'an have for them?

Christians pray to Jesus or in the name of Jesus. Jesus is not God.

Muslims believe that there is only ONE God and there can be no incarnation of God or trilogy of God as one. There is only one God.

The Old testament also says:

I am the Lord your God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Yet everyday Christians pray to Jesus. The very definition of monotheism is that there is a SINGLE DEITY, not a father and son or a trinity.

Katherine, do you believe that the Holy Spirit went into Mary, as the New Testament teaches, and that the Holy Spirit is part of the trinity that makes God?

I understand that the Bible uses the phrases "my children", "heavenly Father", etc... figuratively. But, most Christians do believe that Jesus is the literal son of God, and part of the trinity of God, therefore God. I know, I used to be a Christian.

To most Muslims this is the same as idol worshipping, as praying to any entity other than the one God is worshipping an idol. Even if you believe this entity is the son of God, or part of a trinity that makes God whole.

See, to us, God cannot be part of less than He is. The trinity makes absolutely no sense. God is God, there is only one God. It's just that simple.

Islam's message to the Jews is the same as it is to all of mankind. There is only one God, the God of Ibrahim, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and all of the Prophets and Messengers.

 

Edited by Mishmish