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Meng 
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Posted: 11 April 2006 at 11:13am |
I have personally had some very good relationships with those of the Muslim faith. I, of course, totally disagree with their view that Jesus Christ is not the Word of God made flesh (in the sense that Jesus is the Second Person of a Triune Center of Being, sometimes expressed as "Trinity.")
Now, it saddens me that in the United States, for instance, Muslims have complete religious freedom. They can proselytize as much as they want - and they have won a lot of converts to the Muslim faith - mostly former Christians.
How do the Muslims here feel about the fact that Christians are not allowed to seek converts in Muslim countries? To Christians, it appears that Muslims are afraid of the Gospel of Christ.
Do you feel it's fair for Muslims to have complete freedom here, but that Christians are denied that freedom in Muslim nations?
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Israfil
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Posted: 11 April 2006 at 11:35am |
Meng,
When we discuss the freedom to proseltyze beliefs towards others we must understand how this is done so. As a Muslim I remember many Christians proseltyzing me saying that because of my beliefs "I'm going ot hell" with this in mind what country would allow such acts to occur? To answer your question the rejection of Christians proseltyzers in some Muslim lands is from the laws of that country as well as some interpretations of Qur'an and hadith although I'm not sure on the specifics. Christians anmd Jews living in Muslim lands have the freedom to practice their faith but not the freedom to share that because, in my opinion religion is a personal conviction not meant to be an infraction.
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ak_m_f
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Posted: 11 April 2006 at 11:41am |
 Meng wrote:
I have personally had some very good relationships with those of the Muslim faith.� I, of course, totally disagree with their view that Jesus Christ is not the Word of God made flesh (in the sense that Jesus is the Second Person of a Triune Center of Being, sometimes expressed as "Trinity.")
Now, it saddens me that in the United States, for instance, Muslims have complete religious freedom.� They can proselytize as much as they want - and they have won a lot of converts to the Muslim faith - mostly former Christians.
How do the Muslims here feel about the fact that Christians are not allowed to seek converts in Muslim countries?� To Christians, it appears that Muslims are afraid of the Gospel of Christ.
Do you feel it's fair for Muslims to have complete freedom here, but that Christians are denied that freedom in Muslim nations?�
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Korean missionaries flock to the Middle East and Muslim countries
Many South Korean Christians, as first reported by the BBC, have now taken aim at the volatile Middle East in an effort to convert people in these predominantly Muslim countries to Christianity. Public recognition of this growing movement first started with kidnapping of Korean missionaries in Iraq, and people have since grown to realise the emerging fervor of Korean Christians. Many do not fear the danger of present fighting between Muslim extremists and American soldiers, but instead welcome it as an opportunity to evangelise civilians caught in the middle.
Huh Min-yong, who was one of several Koreans kidnapped, said after returning to Seoul, "We must go to Iraq and the Middle East even if we become martyrs," he says. "We must plant the cross so true peace can come. Spreading the word of Jesus can only be done with blood and sacrifice."
Charles Scanlon writes in the BBC that over 12,000 South Korean missionaries are presently active, some of which are evangelising in Muslim countries. One missionary located in Indonesia told Scanlon, "I invited 150 Muslim children to my house on Christmas Day. I gave them gifts and preached the gospel. But afterwards some of their parents came and threatened to kill me. After that I had to be more careful.� Still, many missionaries are unafraid of the opposition and threats of death from extremists in Muslim countries. Often, churches send out missionaries in the hundreds.
Many more missionaries are active, but are not disclosed due to a need to protect the lives of these crucial missionaries in hostile countries.
Gary Ng
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Meng
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Posted: 11 April 2006 at 1:41pm |
When my own daughter was stationed in Saudi Arabia, she was not allowed to bring a Bible into Saudi Arabia (although, she did smuggle one in, as did other Christians). Why, if Muslims honor Jesus and His Gospel, do Muslims not allow Christians to bring their Bibles into Saudi Arabia? Are Christian missionaries allowed into Saudi Arabia?
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ak_m_f
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Posted: 11 April 2006 at 1:55pm |
Meng wrote:
When my own daughter was stationed in Saudi Arabia, she was not allowed to bring a Bible into Saudi Arabia (although, she did smuggle one in, as did other Christians).� Why, if Muslims honor Jesus and His Gospel, do Muslims not allow Christians to bring their Bibles into Saudi Arabia? Are Christian missionaries allowed into Saudi Arabia?�
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one cannot imagine Muslims building a mosque inside the Vatican. Or Jews building a synagogue inside the Vatican. When the practice of religion is concerned, the regulation is that people can practice their religion in their homes any way they like. Without any hindrance. And that is the regulation in the kingdom.
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Meng
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Posted: 11 April 2006 at 2:03pm |
I understand what you are saying, but must disagree. In order to practice our faith, Christians need a Bible. The Bible, like the Quran, is an intricate part of our faith system. We read from the Bible and meditate on its words. Therefore, when Saudi customs confiscates Bibles and trashes them (and they do throw them away - how disrespectful is that?), they are depriving Christians of an important feature of their faith.
I don't agree that bringing a Bible into the "kingdom" is equal to building a mosque in the Vatican. However, I wouldn't be against Muslims building a mosque there if they so choose.
There is no compulsion in religion, right? Why trash Bibles? Why treat Christians as inferiors in Mohammed's own country. After all, Mohammed, himself, was married to a Christian, was he not?
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ak_m_f
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Posted: 11 April 2006 at 2:07pm |
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I dont know about bible.Maybe its a saudi rule or something.
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Meng
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Posted: 11 April 2006 at 2:19pm |
When our soldiers were sent over there in the Gulf War they were warned not to take a Bible. Isn't that something? You'd think that our government would have defended their soldiers' right to have their own Scriptures.
They were also warned against "witnessing" to Muslims. How ironic that a Muslim approached my daughter and spoke about the Gospel!
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