Corrupted Doctrine

 

 

Technically speaking the whole world itself in build on some shaky ground because Allah, God , The Creator gave the resources in this world for the benifit and enjoyment of everyone yet only a small group controlls these resources.

Everyday they live a lie believing everything belongs only to a few when in reality it really belongs to all of us.

This being said is no reason to go start a riot.

The powers that be can see people suffering for want of education and training, for want of access to technology that could improve their lives.  These powers know many people are left ignorant of good communications skills, healthy boundaries and good parenting skills and though it may not seem like it there is progress and sharing more of the resources.

Most religions are built on stories of the past and there is really no way to be 100 percent sure of any accuracy in any of them as they were written many years passed the death of the people involved.

Though I support the Quran we really cannot be sure that Mohammed (PBUH) words were recorded accurately because he could not read not write the language he spoke so even he could not be sure his words were recorded that way he wanted them.

The only reason I say that is because even within Mohammed's (PBUH) circle there were disputes.

 

 

 

 

 

I can understand you are having a hard time on that, brother Israfil.

"If the Bible is partially corrupted and the Christians and Jews base their religious teachings based on the Bible is the whole religion corrupted? If so how can a WHOLE religion be corrupted on a partially corrupted text?"

Brother Israfil, I have never liked that corrupt word "corrupted".  

Please, let me try it my way:

The Jews already had the Holy Scriptures first amongst the three Abrahamic religions. They knew their Scriptures well as they had been taught well by Moses himself.

The scattered Tribes of Israel are further scattered into many deviant groups. We shall call them broods of vipers and snakes for the sake of this discussion. The vipers, the cobras, the pythons, the rattlers and other venomous ones.

Comes in Jesus. He knows the Scriptures well. Who does he go after? We find him being continuously pestered and harrassed mostly by two groups, the Sadducees and the Pharisees who were following him where ever he went or Jesus was possibly going after them whenever he came across these brood of vipers. We don't see much of the average Jews going after him or vice versa. Jesus is the first accuser here and questions them, quoting the Scripture. One of the groups did not even believe in the afterlife or resurrection. Jesus hammers them and accuses them of not understanding the Scripture and condemns them for saying wrong.

Exit Jesus. Come in the Church Elders, Paul and gospel writers. The mission is to preach to the Jews as done by Jesus himself so that he could have put the House of Israel in order. They take the Jewish Scripture, copy everything down but make changes in words, where necessary to make their points. they picked and chose prophecies to suit their arguments but did not realise that the Jews already had the Scriptures.

The Jews disagreed. They were the first ones to accuse the Christians of forgery in the Scriptures. The newly-born Christians started teaching the Jews their own Scriptures.  At this point in time, we don't hear of Pharisees and Sadducees harrassing any Christian preachers all left is only Jews. No more talks of other sects.

Still, the Christians could not and did not accuse the Jews of any corruption or forgery in their Scriptures but the Jews minus Pharisees, Sadducees, nazarites, Essenes, etc kept on saying that the Christians borrowed their entire Scriptures and changed the meanings. I do agree with that. Once we read The Jewish Scripture and the Christian OT together and match word for word, we can easily find where the changes have been made by the Christians.So, the Jews are the first to accuse Christians of "corruption" in their Scriptures. Forgery, in my opinion, is a better word, since many Christian writers do use that word.

While the battle of words goes on between the Jews and the Christians for 600 years, the pure and true Chrsitian followers of Jesus also get scattered into many sects, with most going deviant. While that goes on for about 365 years, Augustine uses his powerful right hand and stomps all and gets them to forge a Creed.   But it really does not end there.

God had been watching all over the periods. Enough is enough. Enters Islam. Like Jesus had to face the Pharisees, Sadducees, Jews and other sects, Muhammad had to face all sects of Jews, all sects of Christians and the pagans. The Jews would question Muhammad. The Christians would question Muhammad. The pagans would question Muhammad and also ask him what the Jews and Christians asked!  

No other prophet in History had to face so many adversaries in his time like Muhammad faced. When questioned by the Jews, Muhammad would ask "What does your Book say?" When questioned by Christians, he would ask the same. So, the topic of discussing the Books had started and went into full swing at that time.

The Jews blame Christians for forging the Scriptures. Muslims blame both and accuse them of changing God's Eternal Message and the Scripture.

I would not say that the Christian Bible and the Jewish Scriptuers have been corrupted. I would say they have been forged.

The best example of the forgery:

Jewish Scripture: "The young woman shall give birth to a child and shall call him Immanuel". No young woman in the history of Israel gave birth to Immanuel as prophecised and that never happened. Jewsih Scripture is slilent on this.

Christian Scripture: "The virgin will give birth to a child and will call  him Immanuel". The virgin disobeyed God by not calling the child Immanuel.

We cannot say that the Scriptures were corrupted or are corrupt. That is bad and improper. It would be proper to say that the scriptures were forged and they certainly were. We can look at the above example and there are plenty of other examples. 

Salaam Alaikum

BMZ

Edited by bmzsp

Israfil wrote: Simple question to my brethren because I'm having a hard time trying to understand: If the Bible is partially corrupted and the Christians and Jews base their religious teachings based on the Bible is the whole religion corrupted? If so how can a WHOLE religion be corrupted on a partially corrupted text?

Yours is a hypothetical question, Israfil.  If the Qur'an is partially corrupted and the Muslims base their religious teachings based on the Qur'an is the whole religion corrupted?  If so how can a WHOLE religion be corrupted on a partically corrupted text?

Now in regard to the Holy Bible, it is not "corrupted."  Look to your own Qur'an.  Nowhere does it say that the Holy Scriptures are "corrupted," or "lost."

However, if there were scribals errors in the Bible, does that mean that that the whole message is lost?  No, it does not.  The really nice thing about Christianity is that we have so many copies of the manuscripts that slight variations can be pinpointed and corrected.  The Holy Bible has been judged 98.5% accurate.  No doctrines of Christianity or Judaism has been compromised.

Annie

Who judged the Holy Bible 98.5% accurate?