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    Posted: 27 April 2005 at 6:49am

Bismillah,

Could we start a new group called something like Liberal Muslims discuss Modern Day Life with each other?

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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

You can do that in the general section.

"Liberal Muslim" is a derogatory term, islam is about sunnah and quran not changing them to suit our self. the christians and jews changed there religion and this is what this term (liberal) is advocating.


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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Originally posted by rami rami wrote:

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

You can do that in the general section.

"Liberal Muslim" is a derogatory term, islam is about sunnah and quran not changing them to suit our self. the christians and jews changed there religion and this is what this term (liberal) is advocating.

 Absolutely,Islam is Islam;not an another thing...the name of islam should not be used for the desires in the hearts not including the science of Islam...belive what you want to believe;but don't abuse the name of islam,it may cause serious results...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kim! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2005 at 4:41pm

One assumes there might be different ways of interpreting some parts of the Q'ran and maybe even the Sunnah? If one assumes this is true and putting more thought into interpretation is not haram, then what is the problem?

Less seriously:

There is a joke that talks about a Pope dying and going to heaven. He was a lover of books and reading all his life, so he was often to be found in Heaven's Library. One day, people came running (flying?) in to the library from all over the place when they heard a man shouting and crying from inside. They found the Pope with his head lying on an open book - he was crying and banging a fist on the table.

the people asked him "What's wrong?!" the Pope said "the Lord told us to celebRate! the word was celebRate!!!"  

Kim... 



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Kim I agree. I am new to this forum, so pardon me if I sound blunt or outspoken. But I find that a lot of times especially in the Mosques people are put off for being different or for thinking differently. Where is the forum for open discussion and debate when straight away a person is put off without any attempt to understand what herjihad actually wants to discuss. I think if we want to improve the image of Islam we should be open to discussion instead of slamming the door in the face.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote herjihad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2005 at 5:10am

Bismillah,

 

Bismillah,

So I understand that a new group is allowed, but that some are offended by the name.  Decisions are difficult to make in life, but they are helpful in making progress. 

Suggestions from others who might be interested in having discussions on topics like this?  The five pillars group?  The I don't beileve plucking your eyebrows sends you to hell group?

People like me, we are muslim because we follow the pillars of Islaam.  I've been locked out of the mosque at prayer time because I'm a woman.  I would really liked to have seen the speakers' faces at the prayers I did get to go to and the meetings as well.  I see no harm in them seeing my face, especially when I would run into these people at the grocery store and school and work.  I don't even know what the sisters' husbands look like! 

I believe in the Quran, but I would not be part of a group that inflicted punishments on people.  We live in America and many other places where this is unrealistic thinking.  No-one is being killed for adultery.  Indeed, I have heard of  adulterers sinning at night and giving the Friday Khutbah.

I want to discuss things based on the real world we live in.  I an not in Saudi or Darfur.  I work and have kids and I don't have a community where I live, but if I did, I wouldn't be around people who don't want to help but just throw quotations at me. 

This is the only Muslim community I have besides my small family unit.  So just like some sites are for sisters only, people who love Islaam but not severity and judgementalism need to discuss things.  Since this is a discussion forum, it would be a great place to do that.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ummziba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2005 at 5:15am

As salaamu alaikum Herjihad,

Why don't you try starting a specific topic or two under general discussions and see where that goes?  It would be a start at least.

I do understand your frustrations as I lived all alone without any other Muslims for several years - not a great situation to be in.

Peace, ummziba.

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Assalam-alaikum Herjihaad

I agree with Ummziba. Instead of giving a name such as "liberal" which has been immediately interpreted as offensive, I think you should start a topic under general discussions. Will look forward to your post but I may be slow in responding.

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