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usama
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Posted: 15 April 2007 at 12:19pm |
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In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful Allah (SWT) informed us that HE made us into different tribes and nations to better get to know one another. As translated from the Holy Quran: 49:13 O men! Behold, We have created you all out of a male and a female, <>Asad(49,15) and have made you into nations and tribes, so that you might come to know one another. <>Asad(49,16) Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of God is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him. Behold, God is all-knowing, all-aware. And He (SWT) instructed us as to the nature of the bond between Muslim peoples:
But today, ecspecially in the Middle East, Muslims have taken to nationalism that violates the instructions of these holy verses and fatally calls forth the disastrous result of such a violation. After over 100 years of nationalist designs, Kurdish Muslims are on the precipice of forming yet another Muslim nationalist state carved out of the body of the Muslim Ummah. The Iraqi govt is planning a constitutionally mandated Kirkuk referendum as to whether the provincial authority of the city of Kirkuk should reside with the Kurdistan province or with the lower Arab provinces. The result of this referendum could give the Kurdistan confederacy a rich powerful city and massive oil and energy wealth which would all but seal the Kurdish nationalist movement beyond the reach of Baghdad's reach and the diplomacy of any nation seeking to resist the birth of yet another Muslim nation state. An autonomous and wealthy Kurdistan would seek to annex eastern Turkey and threaten western Iran. American and Israeli operatives are already working with Kurdish rebels to offset Iran and subsequently Turkey. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ID14Ak02.html What's your opinion on a Kurdish state in light of Allah's instructions on believers being united? America and Israel appear to be advocates of a Kurdish state, given that former sec.s of state Baker, Kissinger, amb.s Holbrooke, Galbraith and others all support it even though it serves as yet another terrible division of the Muslim world. American diplomacy and largely served in the interest of dividing nations rather than uniting them, thereby enabling American interests therein. This has been for centuries. What do you think of America's role in this?
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usama
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Excerpt from the www.motherjones.com article addressing the same point: The Mossad�s former Irbil station chief, Eliezer Geizi Tsafrir, told me that like the Israelis, the Kurds regard themselves as an historically stateless people surrounded by hostile nations. Back when Tsafrir served in Irbil, he even helped set up a Kurdish intelligence service, in cooperation with the Barzani patriarch, Mustafa Barzani. �They [the Kurds] approached us, saying they had nobody to help them in the world, and our people had suffered too,� he said. �We supplied them with cannons, guns, anti-air equipment, all sorts of equipment, and even lobbying. The contacts between us, and the sympathy, will last for generations to come." |
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Let there arise from amongst you a group inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and they are the successful ones. Al Imran:104
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Darkseid
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Kurdistan will achieve their independence.
Will you shut up! Allah's only wish is for people to remain united in terms of peace. YOU CANNOT HAVE PEACE IN OPPRESSION! So give the Kurds their own state, so that you can then work on establishing a federation just as Muhammad would have wanted. Do you think Muhammad would want his people oppressing each other?
HELLO! That is exactly what the Iranians, Turks, and Syrians are doing.
Muhammad's enemies are not people pertaining to a different faith. It is those within his own faith that support imperialism and fascism and you sir support imperialism over the Kurds. So I hope you have a fine afterlife in Jahannam.
And you sir do look like you are just pretending to be a muslim, since Allah's ways are to condemn the practice of Fascism and Imperialism (as in enslaving an entire group of people under the nation of another like the Turks have done to the Kurds). Now choose your allegiance. Will you choose to continue this game of yours against Allah or will you finally side with the Kurds in their rightful need to establish their own state in your caliphate. Think of it like that. Edited by Darkseid |
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VoiceOf
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We do not have give somethink from our land to PKK..... PKK are terrorist. We will fight for our land until our last drop of blood....
---------------------------------------- (CNN) -- The United States is urging Turkey to show restraint after Kurdish rebels attacked its forces on Sunday, killing at least 17 Turkish soldiers and wounding 16 others near Turkey's border with Iraq and Iran, according to Turkey's defense minister. -------------------------- |
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VoiceOf
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I forgot 2 say.... Where was Barzani and Talabani in the Time of Saddam? They have got Passport from Turkish govouerment and raised everywhere in the world... Those both are piker... Now they are yelling to Turkey,with weapons and guns MADE in USA... We will fight our land, because we are not racist, there are lot kurdish muslims and people in Turkey they like Turkey and like to life in Turkey....Because our samepoint is we are ummah of rasulullah saw and we are citizen of Turkish Republic....Those who want from our land, is all are Terrorist... Islam allows to defend themselfs land....It is not forbidden... I hope our goverment make rest for them both Talabani and Barzani and never let come to turkey...Bann to Visit Turkey....
Those mothers are Muslim and reading Quran...For their sons killed in Turkey from PKK Terrorists.....
We do not invase irak and kill... The Ummah Is Sleeping..... Edited by VoiceOf |
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Tom123
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You mean you won't give up the land your leaders stole from the Kurds? Israel refuses to return land to the Palestinians in the West Bank too. That is why both Turkey and Israel will never have true peace, because the people they are occupying will keep fighting to get their land back. Many of the PKK certainly are terrorists. So are Turkish soldiers and police who shot dead protesters in Diyarbakir last year and the pilots who have just bombed an Iraqi village yesterday. You want an end to terrorism??? Then stop supporting the terrorist crimes of your government and work for an end of oppression against the people whose territories your leaders are occupying!!! Cristo Vive! - Tomasz |
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usama
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Indeed, the Ummah of the beloved Prophet (saaw) sleeps. Insha Allah it is waking from its slumber. The Prophet (saaw) is reported to have said: Those who call for "asabiyah" are not from among us, those who fight for "asabiyah" are not from among us, and those who die for "asabiyah" are not from among us" (sahih from Abu Da`ud). And the ulama understand "asabiyah" to mean: tribalism. And that tribalism and chauvinism is the precursor and brother of nationalism: qaumiyah. And "asabiyah" and "qaumiyah" are of the same as "racism". And there are many more ahadith, traditions, of the Prophet (saaw) condemning the cause of nationalism/asabiyah. The Muslims of Kurdish ethnicity should realize that they are not the first to call for nationalism. But they have been spared the terrible sins, corruption, and chaos which emerges from a nationalist state carved from the sleeping body of the Ummah. Recent history reveals many cases of Muslim nations carved out of the Muslim Ummah only to lead to terrible pain for all, Muslim and nonMuslim, and for the benefit of the enemies. The Partition of India into 3 states caused millions of deaths, rapes, oppression, suffering. The rebellion of East Pakistan, Bangledesh, from Pakistan resulted in the deaths of 100s of 1000s of Muslims at the hands of other Muslims at the urging of the enemies of Allah. Brothers, the best of the Kurds did not call for nationalism and kill fellow Muslims for "asabiyah". He called for the deen of Allah to be superior. He did not submit to the military power of the enemies of Allah over the Muslim lands, he called for and fought for the liberation of Muslim lands from the enemies and for the deen of Allah to be superior. The best of the Kurds was Salahudeen al Ayyubi (rha). Who now is better than the Prophet (saaw) and better than Salahudeen (rha)? Who now knows better? Repent to Allah AWJ and turn to the Deen of Allah (SWT) for guidance. |
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Let there arise from amongst you a group inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and they are the successful ones. Al Imran:104
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VoiceOf
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[/QUOTE] hey. I will not know what your leaders stole. :) you know better than me.. But we dont stole, we are keeping this land islamic..Alhamdulillah.... We do know what our leader do, for what and we also know your leader what they do and for what a reason... And that is the different betwen us and you...I m talking about PKK and not Kurds... Guys like you are funy, you are saying, dont support terrorist but you see the right of PKK to take our land? Killings is always bad and terrorist act, you said that, dont turn my words, PKK to Kurd. They are not same.... Its not only they are terrorist, who you and your leader declare some1 terrorist... PKK are terrorist if you accept or not, no interest about it... Edited by VoiceOf |
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