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Allahuakbar501
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Posted: 12 June 2007 at 8:49pm |
Watch this video on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bLZscpq1xA some brothers said it is extreme but i would like to know what you think, and if you want you can visit my youtube page and watch videos i add to my favorites here www.youtube.com/flav4z
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Israfil
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His Khutba had a motive..... Rather than discuss both sides of Jihad he greatly politicized his speech with religious rhetoric to fire up the listeners. It easy to wallow in self-victimization by discussing how bad America, Britain, and Zionism (as if those are the only elements behind Muslim oppression) are and incite hatred for other countries and get young dumb males to kill for Allah. True Jihad, in my opinion is the spiritual battle one has with oneself. The devil [or Satan] does not need to use man against man Satan can use man against himself. Unfortunately we focus so much on hating America we forgot all about Satan. No wonder Satan will lead so many astray. |
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minuteman
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What is written above by Israfil seems to be correct. It is easy to incite the young people for Jihad. But Jihad must have some conditions too. If they are not fulfilled then there is no Jihad. The greater Jihad is against one's lower self (Nafs e Ammara) which can always be carried out. I would like to know where were these violent speakers when things were going down the drain. Why they did not guide the people and why they did not speak the truth long time before. It is no use now, crying over spilt milk. But if any one now will repent and truely return to Allah then Allah is The Forgiving and The Merciful.
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fatima
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Bismillah irrahman irrahim Assalamu alaykum First thing it is taken from a khutba which is originaly going to be longer than this two minute clip. It takes you straight into when the imam is talking about jihad and specific form of jihad, you dont know exactly what he was saying before that to call this extreme. The second part is some what true because if you following a sharia that came fourteen hundered years ago people persume you to be backward which is never the case. Islam has its concept of Jihad/Qital which is allowed in specific circumstances. Now to completely deny that or let some one twist into some thing else is wrong. wassalam |
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Say: (O Muhammad) If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, MercifuL
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Allahuakbar501
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Well here is the response i put under the video; (Read Surah 2:216 then Read Surah 5:51-64 then read the Hadith in Sahih Muslim: book 041 numbers 6981-6985) I will come back to discuss later but this is not extreme everything he said came out of Qur'an and Sunnah,,wassalam
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Israfil
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This is the problem with videos such as these. Those ignorant of Islamic teachings will interpret that as hostile religious rhetoric and attribute that to Islamic practice. |
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Allahuakbar501
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Self victamization? You should study gloablization The American and British Governments, Zionsim, freemasonary, etc are enemys of Islam (and im not saying that we dont have any black sheep in are midst that need to be taken care of either but thats not the biggest issue). Then we have to look at like this, this is a Khutba that was delivered in Baghdad if we were going threw the same situations in the west they are going through over there are khutbas probably wouldnt be any different (But Allah knows best). Theres Political agendas,war profiteers and a Zionist filtered media this is the reason Islam is being propagated. Islam is a Huge threat to the way there trying to govern things not because Islam is Violent but for what it teaches. Muslims are forbiden to pay and accept Rib'a (Intrest) which is a huge threat to the bank systems which are built upon a system of Intrest, Islam is also a threat to this so called Democracy because Muslims recognize that the Shari'a is what should Govern all of Man's affairs. Islam is also much more than a relgion it's a complete way of Life that can not be contained by such a materialistic consumer based society. Islam is a threat to these poison peddlers and thats basically what it comes down to. now as you say "True Jihad, in my opinion is the spiritual battle one has with oneself" This is agreeable but to say "The Devil does not need to use man against man satan can use man against himself" This has a little truth to it as well but lets look into the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw). Surah 2: 216. Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. So we see Fighting is presribed for us, but Muslims who dont want to admit that a jihad at a great magnitude is justified is because they dislike fighting the answer for that kind of talk is in this verse. but we also see in Surah 3: 185. Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception. So every soul shall taste death this is a reality were not going to live for ever further more we also see when Allah states in Surah 2:41. And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone. So what are you afraid of as Muslims we should only fear Allah. Muslims like to say Islam is a Religion of peace but now were in the Qur'an does Allah say Islam is a Religion of peace (maybe Allah does state this but show me were). what is really meant by this is that a Muslim should have nothing to fear except Allah so because of this you will be at peace with yourself by submitting to the will of Allah because you have nothing to fear except Allah. But some Muslims are soft they like to sugar coat things for the Kaffirs. Now lets look at what the Prophet Muhammed's(saw) Sunnah says in Sahih Muslim
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Israfil
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Look, I don't agree with the video. I'd very much like to listen to a Khutba about Jihad, but I seriously don't want to listen to an old guy on the podium talking about fighting the infidel. I'd rather live with men than kill them, that is my motto. Now, if someone is an immediate threat to me and my family and is intentionally trying to kill me I'll do whatever is necessary to defend them. But there is a difference in the kind of mentality we carry with Jihad today than 200 years ago. Jihad the word itself is used quite loosely and especially amongst the greater population of Muslims who don't even have a decent education much less can understand the logic behind the divine words. You disagree with me regarding the devil tricking man to turn on himself, well, we can see the results in Iraq with Muslims fighting against Muslims. You can' blame the U.S for that. Nobody told anyone to load a rifle and empty a whole round into their neighbor. there is a thing called dialogue that I think people avoid. Allahuakbar501, you sound like you have a motive bro. The Imam as I have seen, greatly politicized his speech. we need to focus more on empowering ourselves with knowledge rather focus on who is our enemy. Our enemy is Satan....Now you say that is little truth then obviously you are looking at the "spititual world" with blinders on. |
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