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Originally posted by C6H12O6 C6H12O6 wrote:

They have been married for 5 years and have 2 kids, she does not conform as she initially

Had said she would. From my conversation to my friend, I think if the kids were not involved then he would walk away from this relationship.

 

All marriages have a rough spot.  Has your friend thought about couples counseling?  Since she is not muslim and he is, a religious leader might not be the best source but someone who would respect both sides.  Perhaps if he showed her he was committed, but that her actions were hurting him, she would want to make the effort.

 

Its also hard to know what you mean by conform?  Is she drinking?  Or perhaps not wearing Hijab?  Maybe she's having sausage?  There are many things that could fall under this catagory.  If she is Christian she may be praying using Jesus's name.

 

Really its hard to advise when you use such a general term.  Conformity is so broad.  What does he want from her? 

 

This is why interfaith marriages fail and aren't really suggested.  She may very well be a pious woman, but obviously she's doing something he feels is unislamic.  But, since she's not muslim she may not see the issue as he does.  For the children's sake, I think they should seek counseling and at least put it all out on the table.  Divorce might be the best way, but really they should look at trying to work together.  

 

If he wanted a pious islamic wife, there are plenty of wonderful reverts out there that are looking for good islamic husbands who aren't in it for the green card and to be supported financially.  He should have considered that first.  If he wants the woman he's with, then he should evaluate exactly what he wants from the relationship and what she wants and decide if it matches.

 

Even a devout Christian woman would have a hard time with some of the "requirements" put on a Muslim wife or even by cultural wants of men from other countries.  Catholics have wine at communion, to deny her communion is to deny her of the practice of her faith. 

 

You see, its more complicated than just...What should I advise him to do? 

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Originally posted by C6H12O6 C6H12O6 wrote:

Marriages in Islam without love.

 

This is an awkward situation. My best friend is married to a German lady. Before they got married she said she would conform to Islamic rules and do this and that. Now that

They have been married for 5 years and have 2 kids, she does not conform as she initially

Had said she would. From my conversation to my friend, I think if the kids were not involved then he would walk away from this relationship. So I was discussing this with my fianc� and my fianc� tells me that they should not be in a marriage if there is no love

To begin with. I think she is wrong. One just should not get a divorce just because they

Are no longer in love. Marriage is more than just love. To me it�s a commitment, an unity

To respect and be with each other no matter what. It is just more much more than physical. Please advise me what should my friend do?


You know this kind of commitment is called oxymoron.
What is the husband's background? Is he an American born or a foreigner, where from?
What were the circumstances before they decided to get married?
You need to add more details based on the crasss's stern judgmental attitude.

Generally speaking your friend doesn't carry that much responsibility about his wife than he does for the brought up of the children in the long run. It doesn't matter now what she doesn't do but it will matter if he walks away from the kids and she raised them as non Muslims that will surely be a problem for his own redemption in the end. You know the wealth and progeny is test and he will surely flunk. The time to think was before not after having them. Do you think your friend was mature enough to be married in the first place?
The marriage in Islam is package contract and not a romantic fling.


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Originally posted by Sign*Reader Sign*Reader wrote:

The time to think was before not after having them.

I agree with that. He can't just walk out off this situation.

He needs to ensure that the kids get a religious education, including  but not limited to sending them to islam class.

His presence will be needed to regularly check up and if needed, to police friends, habits, prevent them from joining up with gangs, loiter late at night in the streets, dropping out of education, watch out for signs of drug abuse, alcohol abuse, premarital sex, but instead encourage friendships with good friends, positively encourage good habits, et cetera. In absence of a father, all of this tends to go wrong somewhere, and because so many kids have a bad family background, the risk for peer pressure pushing them into trouble has increased drastically.

So, I recommend to avoid divorce and to find an alternative solution instead of divorce, in the interest of the kids, so that he can keep an eye on them and intervene when required.



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The Quran does not say anything about German women or men. It does talk about hearts that are hard as stone and filled with hatred. People suffering from these maladies should have a care; Allah may decide to break them into pieces.

Brother, what are you talking about? This poor thing is the result of a stone already broken into shreds. This one had fallen into a cesspit.

It is sick to wish or predict such an awful fate for two innocent children.

He is not wishing. He holds no skills or the power to predict. Just relax and read through this psychopath's autobiography.

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Why hide the truth?

and ask him to show where does the Quran do that?

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Asalam Alaikum Lovesakeenah,

 

I hope you are well.

 

In your last post you brought up two related but separate issues of love and trust.  You can have one without the other. For instance, I love someone as a person but do not trust them because they are an alcoholic for instance. Or I trust someone and like them, but love in a deeper sense no.

 

I think it goes both ways in that the question could be reverse.. what is the woman provided or gave the basics of taking care of home, cooking, having sex etc. But did not really �love� the guy. Should she divorce?

 

There are some people who just don�t get it.. get that level of relationships. Maybe it is the way their brain works or the way they were raised.

 

It is a good question, is this grounds for a divorce?  (Especially if the person is not abusive)  As far as whether it is allowed in Islam, A scholar could answer. Here you can divorce for just about anything. So getting one would not be a problem. But is it the right thing to do?  As Angela said, can they go for counseling?  As Angela said, it depends completely on the specifics of the given situation.   

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whisper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 June 2007 at 8:32am

As Angela said, it depends completely on the specifics of the given situation.

Yes, Angela said so and in all natural wisdom it's the truth. BUT, what some of our friends here say has to be the ultimate for only they say must always be right for they love slandering not just women but also the contents of the Quran!!!

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AS-saaalam alaykum W/R,WB,

Thanks for d response,Hayfa&Whisper.Let's just say that he's not God-fearing enough to be'truthful' about some of his activities& would not answer any question regarding who a female stranger is.Hence,making the woman insecured&unhappy.She's facing a serious emotional abuse & decides not to involve families for fear of escalating the situation.And as for counselling,you're dealing with an unflinching conservationist who doesn't believe in'stuffs'like that.

 

"I have conviction that Allah has power over everything.Verily!Allah's knowledge includes and encompasses everything".
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