What was the point of Jesus?

Abu Loren wrote: The New Covenant you are talking about is not from Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) but from the chief charlatan Paul. Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) did not come to establish a new covenant but to bring the Chidlren of Israel back to God.   There is only one covenant of God established through Prophet Ibrahim (Alayhi Salaam) and is continued to this day by Islam and Muslims.   If you get rid of this fantasy of the New Covenant you will see things more clearly. You have tunnel vision hence the reason you cannot see the whole picture.

Greetings Abu Loren,

I am sure that we have been over this before, but for the sake of clarity in the matter...

19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? (prophet Isaiah)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.  (the words of Yshwe)

Yshwe's coming fulfilled, and revealed, the earlier prophesy.
Yshwe is the 'new thing'... the new covenant that was prophesied.
Yes, Yshwe was meant to bring the children of Israel back to God through the new covenant... and He did, bring many of the children of Israel back to God.  Then He appeared to Saul of Tarsus and appointed him to lead in bringing the gentiles also, to God through the covenant of Yshwe.
It is you who are choosing to reject it... rejecting Yshwe and all that He brought.  Can you not see?  'shall ye not discern it'?

Salaam and blessings,
CLynn


Edited by Caringheart - 07 March 2014 at 4:28pm

Abu Loren wrote: Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) did not die and did not ressurrect.   This is where the confusion comes in when the Christians try to reconcile this fact.

Greetings Abu Loren,

If you will, listen from the 4:26, 4:27 mark on this video.  This guy says it much better than I am able.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnLxUdK9Whg

Salaam and blessings,
Caringheart

Why did Allah sent gospel and didn't sent quran directly!

Simply because jews were waiting two person and not one according to their law

One is Massaiah "prophet "

The Jews believed that the Messiah, the prophet which Moses spoke about,

Source :

http://www.gotquestions.org/Jews-reject-Jesus.html

Remember these not islamic source,

Jews don't believe in jesus "Massaiah "

They are waiting Massaih that fulfill what they want/expect
Rather than what Allah chosen to them

Because they rebel and reject prophets over and over

Allah promised that last prophet will not be jews

Change jews nation to not understanding nation

Not understanding called to Arabs -pre islam
Because rebel/ worship other than Allah

Deuteronomy 32:21 ►
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They made me jealous by what is no god and angered me with their worthless idols. I will make them envious by those who are not a people; I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding


� Burden will be upon Arabs

The burden upon arabia " isaiah 21:13

� Allah will talk to people with other language
Than bible ve torah ( hebrew)

English bible is translated.

Origin of bible hebrew

1 Corinthians 14:21 ►
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In the Law it is written: "With other tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord."


Jesus was jews( he was called as king of jews as mark 15

So one coming after him will not be jews :

One of his properties ( he will remind you
Of jesus speech)

Notice : jesus speech not someone else


John 14:26 ►
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But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

Prophet muhamad said jesus is prophet :

Also jesus said he is prophet :

Luke 13:31-35
Worldwide English (New Testament) (WE)
31�At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus. They said to him, `Go away from here. Herod wants to kill you.'

32�He said, `Go and tell that fox, "I drive bad spirits out of people and heal people. I do it today and tomorrow. On the third day I will finish what I am doing."

33�But I must go on my way today, tomorrow, and the next day. A prophet of God cannot be killed outside of Jerusalem.

34�`O Jerusalem, Jerusalem! You kill the prophets of God.


� Allah telling Abraham that language
Will change from hebrew to Arabic

Abram (hebrew) turn to Abraham (Arabic)

That mean his coming generation will be Arab
They will worship him
Will be last convenient

Genesis 17

Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7�And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8�And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.


Notice : everlasting possession / genesis 17 above line

Also Daniel dream mentioned them.

That mean they will lead world

coming prophet sign :


According to Daniel dream

Prophet companion /righteous
Coming will be after four kingdoms
Which are :

Bablyon - Persia - Greece - Rome

After rome righteous will come

http://im51.gulfup.com/6mre0s.png


Daniel 7:17 ►
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The four great beasts are four kings that will rise from the earth.


Daniel 7:18 ►
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But the holy people of the Most High will receive the kingdom and will possess it forever--yes, for ever and ever.'

After Rome kingdom, Islam kingdom enter jerusalem

Rome refused to give key to other than muslim king ( Umar
Bin khattab by hand

So he traveled on donkey till he arrived
And he was humble person

Just like old testament described his entrance

Zechariah 9:9
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Coming King

9��Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your King is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation,
Lowly and riding on a donkey,
A colt,





� Allah will make prophet descended
From abraham's son ishmael. (Arab

Genesis 17

20�And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation



�Prophet muhamad descended from ishmael
Peace be upon them

His name found in bible ve torah

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3sZfPwv1g


� ishmael lived in paran where well water occur
As miracle.

This water called zamzam water :

Then God opened her [Hagar's] eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer. While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt. (Genesis 21:19-22)


This water not located anywhere except
In maca saudi arabia called zamzam well

Islamic history states that the Zamzam Well was revealed to Hagar (Hājar), the second wife of Abraham[2] and mother of Ishmael.[3] By the instruction of God, Abraham left his wife and son at spot in the desert and walked away. She was desperately seeking water for her infant son, but she could not find any, as Mecca is located in a hot dry valley with few sources of water. Hagar ran seven times back and forth in the scorching heat between the two hills of Safa and Marwah, looking for water. Getting thirstier by the second, the infant Ishmael scraped the land with his feet, where suddenly water sprang out. There are other versions of the story involving God sending his angel, Gabriel (Jibra'il), who kicked the ground with his heel and the water rose.[4]

The name of the well comes from the phrase Zom� Zom�, meaning 'stop', which, according to legend, was a command repeated by Hagar during her attempt to contain the spring water.[1]

Zamzam well is cure /miracle

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5PW8zPSc-hU


Coming prophet from paran/maca/saudi arabia with
Holy book /quran

He said: "The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones, from his right hand went a fiery law for them." (Deuteronomy 33:2)

Holy place of muslim mentioned in bible
Maca by it is old name baca

Psalm 84:6 ►
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As they pass through the Valley of Baka, they make it a place of springs; the autumn rains also cover it with pools.

Even it was mentioned in quran by it is old name
Baca

Quran

Behold, the first Temple ever set up for mankind was indeed the one at Bakkah:�75� rich in blessing, and a [source of] guidance unto all the worlds,

Source :

http://www.alim.org/library/quran/ayah/compare/3/96/first-house-of-allah-on-earth


Other evidence :

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakkah


� it was mentioned ishmael generation
Did live next to house/alkaaba holy place /Baca


Isaiah 60:7 ►

English Standard Version
All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered to you; the rams of Nebaioth shall minister to you; they shall come up with acceptance on my altar, and I will beautify my beautiful house.

In some version it called temple/house
Which is prove it is holy place

Isaiah 60:7 ►
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All Kedar's flocks/ishmael will be gathered to you, the rams of Nebaioth will serve you; they will be accepted as offerings on my altar, and I will adorn my glorious temple.


Kedar are son of ishmael :

Genesis 25:13 ►
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These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, listed in the order of their birth: Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam,



Edited by truthfull - 14 June 2014 at 11:07pm

Caringheart, this website and this subforum is about the Muslim views of Prophet Jesus.

It is not for your rants with Bible quotes or some "ex-muslim" videos.

Keep your posts for Interfaith subforums and not here. And there also, I don't think rants should be allowed. Because we don't accept the Bible version you have as a source.

Edited by kodoo - 18 August 2014 at 7:40am