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JOUBERAR
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By the way I said scientist is wrong not science according to your speculation that the global flood was a localised flood .
Where does the bible contradict science is it simply cos the Quran could specify the date that flood occured while the bible can specify it then it is a contradiction but not when the Quran can specify it.
The Quran in Surah 11:42 & 43 says that one of the sons of Noah refused to go into the Ark and was drowned in the flood, while the Bible says that all three sons of Noah went into the Ark with him and were saved from the flood,while the Bible says that all three sons of Noah went into the Ark with him and were saved from the flood (Genesis 7:7). Surah 11:42 I wonder who removed this from the bible. And it moved on with them amid waves like mountains; and Nuh called out to his son, and he was aloof: "O my son! embark with us and be not with the unbelievers. He said: "I will betake myself for refuge to a mountain that shall protect me from the water." Nuh said: "There is no protector today from Allah's punishment but He Who has mercy; and a wave intervened between them, so he was of the drowned." says that one of the sons of Noah refused to go into the Ark and was drowned in the flood, while the Bible says that all three sons of Noah went into the Ark with him and were saved from the flood (Genesis 7:7). In Surah 11:44 the Quran says that the Ark came to rest on top of
mount Judi, While the Bible says that it was Mount Ararat (Genesis 8:4).
This clearly show you authentacity of the bible in comparison with the Quran's mangled stories.This shows it is global but it seems to me that you are confused about the Quran statements that you can not give me the exact answer if the flood was local or global.
Gen 7:5 And Noah did according unto all that Jehovah commanded him.Gen 7:6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.Gen 7:7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.Gen 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of birds, and of everything that creepeth upon the ground,Gen 7:9 there went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, male and female, as God commanded Noah.Gen 7:10 And it came to pass after the seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.Gen 7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.Gen 7:13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;Gen 7:14 they, and every beast after its kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, every bird of every sort.Gen 7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh wherein is the breath of life.Gen 7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God commanded him: and Jehovah shut him in.Gen 7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lifted up above the earth.Gen 7:18 And the waters prevailed, and increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high mountains that were under the whole heaven were covered.Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both birds, and cattle, and beasts, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:Gen 7:22 all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, of all that was on the dry land, died.Gen 7:23 And every living thing was destroyed that was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and creeping things, and birds of the heavens; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only was left, and they that were with him in the ark.Gen 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days.Edited by JOUBERAR - 08 March 2010 at 7:36am |
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Salam JOUBERAR
Your statements=bold By the way I said scientist is wrong not science Opinions of Science and scientists is the same. It's not like science says that Earth is round and scientists say that the Earth is flat. according to your speculation that the global flood was a localised flood . Have you even read my posts? I have said again and again that I do not know whether the flood was localized or not. In fact, In my previous post, I said that let us assume that the flood was global. Now can you tell us why Bible contradicts Science? Where does the bible contradict science is it simply cos the Quran could specify the date that flood occured while the bible can specify it then it is a contradiction but not when the Quran can specify it. I am not sure what you mean here. Can you elaborate? And since Bible gives a date of global flood in which many noted civilizations were alive, that is why it contradicts science. Isn't that so simple to understand? Now Quran doesn't give a date so how can it contradict science here? The Quran in Surah 11:42 & 43 says that one of the sons of Noah refused to go into the Ark and was drowned in the flood, while the Bible says that all three sons of Noah went into the Ark with him and were saved from the flood,while the Bible says that all three sons of Noah went into the Ark with him and were saved from the flood (Genesis 7:7) So you're saying here that since Quran contradicts Bible, it is wrong. And I am saying here that since Bible contradicts Quran, Bible is wrong. In Surah 11:44 the Quran says that the Ark came to rest on top of mount Judi, While the Bible says that it was Mount Ararat (Genesis 8:4) You are quoting stuff to strengthen my belief that Bible is wrong because it contradicts Quran. This clearly show you authentacity of the bible in comparison with the Quran's mangled stories.This shows it is global but it seems to me that you are confused about the Quran statements that you can not give me the exact answer if the flood was local or global. I have given you a very clear answer again and again and the answer is simply : I don't know. I am not confused about the statements of Quran, I'm merely proving that those statements do not specify whether the flood was global or not. But As I said, let us assume that the flood was global, Now can you tell me why Bible contradicts science instead of going in circles again and again and dodging the main question? Gen 7:5 And Noah did according unto all that Jehovah commanded him. Gen 7:6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth. Gen 7:7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. Gen 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of birds, and of everything that creepeth upon the ground, Gen 7:9 there went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, male and female, as God commanded Noah. Gen 7:10 And it came to pass after the seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. Gen 7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. Gen 7:13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; Gen 7:14 they, and every beast after its kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, every bird of every sort. Gen 7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh wherein is the breath of life. Gen 7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God commanded him: and Jehovah shut him in. Gen 7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lifted up above the earth. Gen 7:18 And the waters prevailed, and increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high mountains that were under the whole heaven were covered. Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both birds, and cattle, and beasts, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: Gen 7:22 all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, of all that was on the dry land, died. Gen 7:23 And every living thing was destroyed that was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and creeping things, and birds of the heavens; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only was left, and they that were with him in the ark. Gen 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days. Yes I completely agree that according to the Bible, the flood was global. According to the Quran, the flood can be local or global. It is irrelevant. The main point is, which you have continuously dodged in our previous discussion and will dodge in the next, that Bible specifies when that global incidence took place. At that time, there were numerous civilizations present according to science. Now who should I believe? Either the science and Quran is wrong and Bible is right or either the Bible is wrong and science and Quran is right. You tell me Peace |
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Scientist already proofed it that the flood was global go and look at the websites.
Here is one source that you can do some research on.
Scientific Evidence for a Worldwide Flood
Part Four of a Five-Part Series on The Age of the Earth.
Two Vastly Different World Views, with Vastly Different Conclusions: Was virtually all of the sedimentary strata laid down by a single Worldwide Deluge in a short amount of time, or is the evolutionary scenario of slow change, acting over eons of T-I-M-E, and the associated Geological Time Chart (with its millions and millions of years) a more accurate account of Earth history? It's also about God's future judgment of mankind. That's because Jesus Christ, Himself, related the Great Flood of Noah's day to His own return to earth to reign over it and the people in it. See Luke 17:20-27, 19:11-27; John 5:22-23, 12:32, and Rev. 20:4-15. Let's Look at the Evidence: Polystrate Fossils: Very few of these upright fossil trees have attached roots, and only about 1 in 50 8 have both roots and rootlets attached. Such trees, and their -- more often than not -- missing roots, are discussed in much more detail in The "Fossil Forests" of Nova Scotia. 9 Likewise, many (if not most) of the large, fragmented, and broken-off Stigmaria roots are also missing their rootlets. 9 Similar circumstances occur at various other places in Nova Scotia, as well as in the United States, England, Germany, and France. Another place where large tree stumps are preserved without their roots attached is Axel Heiberg 10,11 Island in Northern Canada. And although there is much data on buried trees in the geological literature, most of it is over 100 years old, and difficult to access. One of the few articles on this subject was by Rupke, and in it he comments that:
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