Ibn Baz Wakes His Children For Salah |
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Chrysalis
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Thankyou for sharing that piece of information with us sister. All parents should try to encourage thier young ones for Salah. I too have heard about Shiekh Ibn Baaz . . . but have only read one of his works. . . and I have to say that unfortunatley, atleast that bit effected me pretty negativley. With all due respect to people who like him, and to the deceased Shiekh, a lot of things he would propogate were extremely extremist, controversial and not matching the essence of Islam and the Prophet's gentle, flexible manner.
I read his "Islamic Fatawa" regarding women some time ago, when as a teen I had newly started to revert to Islam. His opinions actually made me cry and depressed . . . and that is when I realized that All Islamic books by all "shiekhs" are not be written in stone . . . and that one needs to be really careful about the medium they select.
As for the statement that one should try make 70 excuses for a muslim brother . . . I strongly disagree. The moment we stop making excuses for the wrongs commited by fellow muslims, the misconceptions people have about Islam will start to diminish. The problem with us today is that we fail to identify the extremist indiviuals amongst us and denounce them. Which is why anti-islamists quote them to this day, propogating misconceptions about Islam. If a fellow muslim does a wrong, one must denounce it, so non-muslims know that is not Islam.
Im not saying Ibn Baaz was completely wrong or anything . . . however lots of his views, especially about women were misguided. (And Allah Knows Best) And Scholars today should keep on revisisting older Fatawa, and revising them, and updating them . . .
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minuteman
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I don't know anything about bin baaz. So I will not comment about him. I do agree however with the post above that most of the specialists of the religion do deal very hard with people. Thay should deal gently.
About praying for excuses (Istaghfar) 70 times, that Hadith may have been misunderstood. It is always necessary to do Istaghfar for ourselves. For the other people, if they make mistake, then it is necessary to bring to their notice gently and then after that, one should pray for the forgiveness (Istaghfar) for that person.
I do not know if I am right here.
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Hamzah
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May Allah have mercy on his soul.
The problem with some of the Ulama from this country is that they forget Islam was a moderate faith and not extreme, that is slowly changing and we are seeing more open minded people who are more open for dialogue and more open to other madhabs and schools of thought. |
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"Whosoever fears Allah, he will appoint for him a way out, and provide for him from where he does not expect"
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imp87
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Oh wow, its funny, but congratulations Mr �scholar�. Now lets look at what the Wahhabi sites don�t say about him. Further can be read from the site below, here is just a few extracts. Heres a few paragraphs from this site: ------------
As former overall president of the Directorships of Scholarly Research, Ift�', Da`wa, and Irsh�d, Ibn Baz is on record for issuing a fatwa declaring as unislamic the Palestinian people's uprising against the Jewish State of Israel, whereas he never condemned the practices, in his own country, of gambling, horse-racing, and usury. In the late sixties he declared any and all forms of cooperation with the kuff�r prohibited and cast a judgment of apostasy on `Abd al-Nasir for employing a civilian force of a few hundred Russian engineers to build the
In his infamous al-Adilla al-Naqliyya wa al-Hissiyya `ala Jarayan al-Shamsi wa Sukuni al-Ard ("The Transmitted and Sensory Proofs of the Rotation of the Sun and Stillness of the Earth"), he asserted that the earth was flat and disk-like and that the sun revolved around it. Like all the anthropomorphists of his School, Ibn Baz added modifiers to the Divine Attributes, asserting, for example, that Allah Most High and Exalted "istaw� `al� al-`arsh haqqan" - variously translated as "He established Himself over the Throne in person" or "actually" or "literally" - haqqan being an innovated addition which violates the practice of the true Salaf consisting in asserting the Divine Attributes bil� kayf - without "how" - any modifier being by definition a modality. What is worse, of course, is that such an innovated addition is an avenue to anthropomorphism. In his tract translated into English as Authentic Islamic Aqeedah and What Opposes It (p. 16), Ibn Baz calls those who visit the graves of saints "unbelievers" who commit what he calls kufr al-rub�biyya. This fatwa compounds three innovations: (1) the dreadful sin of indiscriminately declaring millions of Muslims k�fir without the proofs and due process required by the purified Shari`a: (2) the blind, wholesale dismissal of the numerous orders of the Prophet One of his innovations in us�l is his public declaration - in the Saudi periodical al-Majalla - that he does not adhere to the Hanbali Madhhab "but only to the Qur'an and Sunna," whereas Ibn Taymiyya said himself asserted in Mukhtasar al-Fatawa al-Misriyya that the truth is not found, in the whole Shari`a, outside the four Schools. Nor have any two Sunni Ulema on the face of the earth agreed on the qualification of Ibn Baz as an absolute Mujtahid capable of extracting his own proofs and School from the primary evidences of the Law. On the contrary, his fiqh is superficial compared to his subordinate Ibn `Uthaymin, his natural bent for taql�d is evident, his blunders numerous, and his innovations countless. Edited by imp87 - 17 June 2008 at 4:41am |
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